Heaven and Earth E3

[Music] Foreign [Music] This is the Bible project podcast I'm John Collins and this is a dialogue with Tim Mackey we're both founders of the Bible project which is primarily just YouTube videos on uh on the Internet It's been a pleasure making these this Is the third of a three-part series Conversation on heaven in the last Episode we talked about how heaven was Perceived by the Hebrew prophets so all Of the key passages in the prophets that Point to the hope of the world it's not Of people leaving Earth and going up to God's space it's the opposite it's of God's space coming to fully overlap with Earth we talked briefly about the Prophetic hope of Resurrection from the Dead that because God was the creator of The world and because the world has been So messed up by humans that God's going To have to recreate and canoe his world And not abandon it and so if God is Going to do that that means his love and His commitment to humans who are Earthlings also needs to somehow go Beyond the grave and redeem even the Grave and then we talked about Jesus and How he is introduced to us as a person Who connects God's space with our space He's introduced to us by the New Testament authors with language and

Imagery that's all drawn from this Heaven and Temple Garden of Eden set of Ideas and so the whole point is that God's Heavenly kingdom is now becoming An Earthly reality in and through Jesus Then we talked about how Jesus viewed The temple in his day instead of being The meeting place of Heaven and Earth Jesus said it's now a den of Thieves and Roberts so he claimed to replace it and To rebuild the Temple in the form of his Own resurrected body and then the Community of his followers who will be Come the new meeting place of Heaven and Earth so it's with Jesus that this idea Of the new temple being not a building Like the prophets described in their Poetry but a community of people who are The reality to which the building always Pointed So we're going to explore more about This community of Jesus followers and Their identity as the temple and we're Also going to talk about something That's been nagging me and hopefully You've been kind of wondering as we've Gone through this conversation is this Is all great but I'm just kind of Curious what happens when I die Where do I go what happens then so we'll Talk about that as well all right here We go [Music] From Jesus uh emerges the Jesus movement

And Acts 2 Pentecost is a really key Moment in the story in the New Testament Then Um so the day when Uh the God's spirit comes and fills the 120 in the upper room and they go out Spill out into Jerusalem and it said That tongues look of fire Appear over each it's very the language It's very specific over each and every Person's head and that's Temple imagery How is it Temple imagery well think of What happened in Exodus 40 or in First Kings 8 when or in Leviticus 10 when uh God's presence comes to take up Residence in the temple it's cloud and Fire that come hover over the top of the Temple Um so like so these are little mini Pillars of fire these are little mini Manifestations of God's glory taking up Residence in his Temple hmm Through the spirit yeah except it's the Collective Temple because it's all these Little images here Um and then uh so yes that surely that Experience is what fired Peter's Imagination so in this first letter the First letter of Peter chapter two he Describes the community I have it here In the notes that describes the Community of Jesus as a community of Living stones who are built as a Spiritual house with Jesus himself as

The Cornerstone Um Or in Paul's letter to the Ephesians he Says that Jesus's followers are God's House Built on the foundation of the Apostles And Prophets Jesus is the Cornerstone And all together it becomes the dwelling Place where God lives by his spirit In this image of Jesus as the Cornerstone That itself is a metaphor for Jesus is The first one in whom Heaven and Earth Overlaps because that's the first stone You put down right yep when you're Building a house yeah the foundation's Down so here we're to Paul's it's called The foundation stone because Everything's built on it or because it's The first stone that like helps you know Where things go Well it depends on which Stone what kind Of stone we're talking about like Because you can have a chord a keystone Of your arch yeah so it's load bearing Yeah uh or if it's a Cornerstone it can Be if it's a foundation stone it's under The ground you don't see it yeah Um but we have symbolic Cornerstone Still today it's like on the corner of The building and it's a showcase Stone But it's also load bearing because it's Pretty low to the ground so that Everybody can see it so it's going to be

A beautiful stone load bearing strong Yeah usually has an inscription on it so Jesus is that and it would be the first One you put down and then everything Would build out from there correct yeah So there's lots of references to this uh Colossians 1 Paul says God was pleased To have his fullness dwell in the sun That's that's Temple language of God's Fullness taking up dwelling or residence That's not just Talking about Jesus deity that's well it Is but it's using using Temple imagery Okay as a way of talking about Jesus as The Divine human one And so out of this flows Paul's whole Theology of the church as a temple Um and the two most clear expressions Are in his first letter to the Corinthians Um in First Corinthians 3 he says y'all Are God's Temple mm-hmm And there he uses it to warn bad church Leaders from turning the community and Church community into a personality Cult Of just favoring different leaders and So on and he's like no no no no all of You this is God And this isn't a popularity contest Um in First Corinthians 6 he uses the Idea of your body Being a temple To reinforce the Holiness impurity of The temple therefore don't don't sleep

Around sleep with someone you're not Married to that's how he applies the Idea there so this is a it's a versatile Idea that Paul can use to make claims About who Jesus is he can talk about the Nature of the church as the place where God dwells he can use it to make moral Challenges to people you know it is Interesting when you when when I really Come with all this richness of the Temple and the and how important that is And and how Grand that would have felt And and how that Holiness to that and Then so take all of that imagery and Then go okay You are the temple of God God's presence Which it used to be just dwelt in these Places now You're like a little mobile unit of that Yeah yourself yes and the same what Jesus was that's exactly right and yeah And when you think about that that Actually brings a lot of gravity to my Life because now I'm not just a human Trying to Make it in the world or whatever I'm Actually this mobile unit of God's Presence That you know Cherubim Were like protecting these places yes There was flaming swords in front of This thing you know I mean this is Intense this isn't there's there's a

Gravity to it yes and so then Paul takes The gravity and says that's why you Don't sleep around yeah right you're Kidding it's not because of STDs yeah It's not or whatever it's because like Do you realize how important this is Yeah you're an expression of the God's Temple presence to the world why would Why would you do such a thing right yeah You're dishonoring God you're Disarranting your body your body is way More than a sex machine yeah you know It's a it's a glorious meeting place of Heaven and Earth yeah yeah it's very yes It's kind of like if someone was like Hey can we go have sex next to the Shared them and be like no not Appropriate you don't do that it's very Inappropriate it's very inappropriate Yeah that's a holy that's a holy plate So yeah you were holy yeah let's do Appropriate things yeah yes yeah so That's a personal kind of moral Challenge Paul also uses it as a Corporate moral challenge so don't put Up with bad arrogant self-serving Leaders in a local Church community that Also dishonors God's voice God's God you Have Paul actually says First Corinthians if someone corrupts God's Temple if someone destroys God's Temple I it's an expression in the local church Paul says God will destroy him like it's The same it's just the principle of

James saying yeah not many people should Become teachers in a church because You're there's an extra degree of Accountability before God and and so Paul says use his Temple language to Make the same point right ancient Israelites because priests would get Killed yes if they performed the rituals Incorrectly in the temple yeah we're not Messing around we're not messing around It's not JV ball anymore that's right You're the temple um and there is at Least one story of of of a remarkable Tragic event in the early church ananias And safira Um I get smoked yeah totally they yeah They were cheating the early Church Community with its ability to have Benevolence for the poor in their midst And so they get Roasted on the spot which is a story That harks back to the two priests in The Book of Leviticus who get roasted on The spot For doing the same type of thing yeah It's intense yeah it is intense I admire The Catholic church for how beautiful And holy the sanctuaries are or the Cathedrals yeah it's the same in East in Orthodox Eastern Orthodox tradition too Yeah and then you still see that in Anglican or Episcopalian churches Typically have this as well right I Don't know I've been a lot yeah um

Definitely more than like American Protestants yeah like multi-purpose room Multi-purpose rooms I'm at a school gym Yeah and there's nothing wrong with that No there's nothing wrong with that those Who are in a tradition that has that There's still a sense when you go to Sunday morning it's like it's different Than the rest of your week yeah yeah We're doing unique practices Rituals behaviors here that Mark this as A unique time and space right yep yeah And so that all comes from this this Idea of the temple being a place that You go and perform these things yeah and Then so for Paul to say you are the Temple and you're like this little Mobile unit of that it's like you can't Escape it's not like you go and then you Get to go away and you're done with that It's like with you and your whole life Becomes a ritual which Is pretty demanding that's actually a Pretty demanding metaphor yeah I mean Paul's just he was the most prolific All right of the early Apostles so we Have more of his letters but yeah so the Practices of Love of neighbor Um moral Purity specifically sexual Integrity Generosity a intense commitment to each Other in the community to help and Support each other in an unrelentless Manner it's not like you just do it

Sometimes yeah and also the reading of The scriptures in prayer yeah pray Always yeah it's priests yeah really It's like taking up the life of the Priesthood which is not unconnected here But Peter in the same passage first Peter 2 says you all are the priesthood You're the temple and the priesthood Because they're marked by proximity to God's powerful presence their lives have To have different habits so we're Talking about this because we're talking About heaven I mean that's where we we Started we started with Heaven yes we Got here because it's not so simple it's Not that it's just some other place it's A place that overlaps and in the temple Is where it specifically overlapped Jesus comes and now it's no I'm the Temple and then the Pentecost comes and All of a sudden whoa the temple has just Simple yeah I for some reason I kind of Get this picture of some like movie Scene where it's like you're trying to Contain some power and it's like we're Gonna take it down and then all of a Sudden it just multiplies and now it's Like everywhere and you're like oh no It's everywhere yes like that's what's Happened at Pentecost like it's it's now Yeah or these people are they think of The the the poem that Peter uses to help Explain Pentecost is from Joel chapter Two where the spirit is described water

That God pours out on everybody I'll Pour out my spirit on everybody men and Women old and young everybody it's just A huge bucket of water Being tossed on a group of people yeah Just abundant immersive immersive Indiscriminate it's for everybody yeah It's very powerful metaphor and Uncontrollability to it just like water When you pour it out So so we got now okay then where is Where is God and now he's Dispersed through this new this movement Of people yeah so like Solomon we can Say he's everywhere he's everywhere he's Not in the church building he's not just Inside of me he's everywhere but he is Specially present with me through the Spirit of Jesus and especially present When we all come together and when the Community comes together there's even Something more unique there and when That Community comes together to worship Jesus and to pray in the name of Jesus And to take the bread and the cup Together there's something really unique Unique and special there [Music] Foreign [Music] So that's where we find ourselves now I Suppose is a part of the Jesus movement In this belief that Jesus is the temple And that the same divine presence and

Power that he has is available to us and And so that's great that's a nice kind Of thought and it's very beautiful way To live Um but then you know you don't have to Walk two feet before you run into Something really horrible and corrupt And unjust And yeah you're like well God's not There yeah I don't even have to walk I Mean I just yeah you just like alone With the thoughts in my head right yes How is God how's God in that thought Yeah like where you know yeah or that Outburst of anger or impatience yeah and And and these prophetic hopes of Creation being righted yeah um that Hasn't all taken place it's true so this Is why Jesus taught his followers to Perform a habit That I I think he meant for us to do Like the Jews pray the Shema every day Or multiple times a day the prayer The Lord's Prayer And the beginning of the prayer is this Acknowledgment that not all of Earth is Permeated with Heaven neither is All of Me And so you know think of how the Lord's Prayer begins so Our Father who is in Heaven says acknowledgment God is above All may your name be treated as holy Hallowed right Um and may your kingdom your heavenly

Rule may it come here And may your will be done here on Earth Just like it's done in your space so That but Jesus both acknowledges the Inside of me and in our world God's will Is not always done Because our will and the will of Spiritual evil is done But we're praying and hoping for the day When the two meet together so I was so Happy with that moment in the video Where the Lord's Prayer is where it all Gets brought together because it's a Hope But it's also something that I'm to pray Every day and to begin to live out And so the story of the New Testament is Of Heaven taking over more and more of Earth one person one family one Neighborhood one community at a time All pointing to the Future day of the New Eden the new creation where Heaven On Earth overlap fully again because of Jesus So we kind of went there in the video With the division you know the last Pages of the Bible the description of The new creation But once again it's the place where all Of these images Superimpose on each other yeah so it's a New Heavens on Earth But then it's just what is that well That's the place where the New Jerusalem

Has descended out of the Heavens to Earth And but then it's the Garden of Eden but Then it's a city but then there's no Temple in that City because the throne Enthroned God and Jesus next to each Other are the temple presence and from It comes the river the in so it's Garden City Temple all is One Tree of Life Is There Tree of Life Is there the nations Are all there no death all that no ocean There's no there's no chaotic sea There's no c yeah there's no C the C is Where you go to be threatened the Leviathan yeah yeah all that so no more Chaos so again it's all these images of Temple Garden City Jerusalem Uh and once again I think we need to be Very humble With What do we think that actually refers to If we want to know what Moses thought Was up in the sky yeah we should be Humble with well what do we think is Actually going to that's a great way to Phrase it because I mean imagine I don't know weird this is a weird Thought experiment but imagine 100 or 200 000 years from now There's humans They're going to be living in a place Completely different than I mean in so Many different ways than what we can Imagine right now

And so even if God's kingdom hasn't come It's just going to be It's crazy different very very different Yeah even 100 years from now yeah I mean Yeah enormously different and they're Gonna look back and they're gonna be Like So did these Christians really believe That whatever yeah and yeah there'll be Like a big queue Tim and John in this Podcast actually believe that there was Like this this river that there was Going to be a river on earth a big city Would descend from the sky and they'd be Like I don't I don't know Because and and I guess if they were Here talking to us saying did you Believe that be like well that's what That's the image we have Like what else do I have that's my That's my yeah I know what a tree is and I know what a stream is and it sounds Nice yeah and I don't have any other way To imagine this yeah so yeah that's what I believe but is that all it is well Probably not probably not because the Image communicates More than the image itself that's I mean This is poetry That's the that is poetry right you put Language together In unique combinations That communicates more than those words By themselves were capable of yeah and

So that's the nature of metaphor and Imagery Um So what what is a whole new creation Full of super abundance yeah where God's Presence is as common as I mean it's Just like what does that refer to and I Think that's tough for most people it's It's tough for me and I imagine it's Tough for most people to Be okay with that ambiguity like it's a Lot nicer to be able to hold on to Something very concrete but to go you Know we don't know what this means but We hope in it that's just a weird thing To say I don't know what I don't know What I'm hoping in completely but I'm Hoping in it well right yeah I don't Wanna I don't think you should say we Don't know what it means okay so if we Can study these images in their Background in the Bible and know I don't Know what it means if I ran into it next Week right if all if it was happening in Boston right and I went over there I'd Be like I don't know What this is and you'll be like that's The that's the thing the industry yeah And I'd be like I don't know Right I mean yeah we're talking about Like how do I know when I've seen it Right right and if I don't know when I've seen it how do I participate in it And how you know and how do I seek it so

This is where the resurrection of Jesus Is the Prototype Of the whole thing right it's the the Resurrection of Jesus is described as The First Act of New Creation So think of the way the the apostles the Disciples of Jesus relate to the Resurrected Jesus sometimes they don't Recognize him but other times they do It's a very strange feature of the Stories yeah where yeah there's Continuity with the Jesus they knew Before right because he has the nail Holes and all this kind of thing and Sometimes they recognize them but there Are other moments where They have no idea who he is it's the Same person right so there's something There that Jesus he had a body he wasn't A ghost but his body was such that it Had things about it that were Indescribable and very unfamiliar and That made it seem like I've never met This person but there are other things About it that's like oh it's that's Jesus that I knew and loved and followed Around Galilee so to me there's Something really rich about that idea That the new creation it's a creation It's I'm an Earthling I'm not meant to Live without a body in heaven I've meant For the Earth and it will be a version Of the world that apparently I'm Familiar with that I'll know but it will

Be minus the corrupting influences of Death and sin and selfishness and it Will and that that will be so different That there will also be moments of like What is this I don't recognize it I don't recognize It right that's that's what we think It's gonna happen gradually or is it Going to just come in a Flash and boom The new creation yeah oh boy all right So here we go here we go Uh this is good I mean this is all about The timing of the return of Jesus and Stages and the Millennials it's very Complicated because it's all described In this apocalyptic prophetic poetry Yeah in imagery I just want to know like Your kingdom come your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven if I pray that Every morning I should do that I don't Do that I mean you know I had this Vision just When you're talking of not actually Praying that prayer exactly because it's Become too rote yes but but just praying That like okay God today pray your Paraphrase of it yeah yeah why don't I Just do that yeah it's a good idea Yeah it's a really good idea Christians Have been doing it for thousands of Years oh man I'm such a bad Christian no No you're not anyhow so I'm praying that Let's say I'm praying that every day and I'm really really anticipating that

God's kingdom is going to come today in Some way and also I know that Jesus said The kingdom is here and so in some way The kingdom is here and so I'm supposed To see it I'm supposed to encounter it Right Um yes so I guess my question is like How do I know when I've when I've seen It how do I know that that oh that's it That's the kingdom happening that's Kingdom coming yeah I mean this is where Love comes into its own as a theme in The New Testament where love is the Meaning of the universe not the American Version of it this is where you break Out in a song right now I feel like Like Moulin Rouge or something yeah Right right no I think love for Jesus Everything Boiled down to what are humans for to to Love one another and be loved by one Another and by God and think of where Paul where First Corinthians Um 11 where he says you know There are there are just a few traits That really if you're going to boil down The Christian Life into a few character Traits it's faith hope and love And but then he says well actually the Most important one is love because faith Is a is temporary once you meet the Reality hope is temporary once your hope Is fulfilled but love is the whole point Yeah it's about humans knowing and being

Known by the Creator and then expressing And showing that to one another in Acts Of love and being loved and accepting Love yeah and so yeah where's the Kingdom it's where you love your Neighbor and are loved by your neighbor And you realize the universe is a safe Place and I'm okay here and I have a Purpose so when you pray that prayer one Thing you're saying is help me love People better today I think so yeah and let me help me Create Opportunities for love to exist Yeah yeah I mean I if you pair the Lord's Prayer with a great command you Know love the Lord your God and love Your neighbor as yourself I mean we're To the heartbeat that's cool following Jesus [Music] Foreign [Music] So we've done this a couple hour Conversation about heaven heaven is way More interesting and complex of an idea Then I've given it credit I think most People do yeah it's not to be mocked at Yeah it's not to be mocked it's not a Caricature it's not to be mocked Yeah And um and it's connected to just living Life in a really full beautiful way now That's kind of where we ended yeah which

Is really cool yeah but that's Completely disconnected from why we Usually talk about heaven because we Usually talk about heaven because we Need we need an answer for what happens After I die yeah right because there's This weird abyss of like I know what Life is like now and then one day the Lights go out like my neurons stop Firing blood stops pumping like my body Starts to Decay Consciousness is gone And nobody knows what that's like no One's been over there and come back and Been like here's what it's like Um except for like near-death experience Stuff which some some of it's shady and Some of it's crazy and cool I don't know But like but there's just this whole Like what happens and Um and so Heaven has always been the Answer to that And in our conversation Heaven has not Been the answer to that heaven's been The answer to Um why is Earth the way it is now and How am I supposed to live and where how Can I encounter God today Um or where do I find where God what God Is doing right now it's answering those Questions it's not answering it what Happens what happens when you die yes so With that said what happens when I die Yeah Well I don't claim to know the answer to

That question uh we can trace Through the story of the Bible how that Works so throughout most of the Hebrew Bible the Old Testament the answer is Um you give up your spirit Your breath it goes back to the one who Gave it to you and you go to the Grave And the grave uh is never described with Anything more than some kind of shadowy Existence it's usually in poetry so we Don't know quite what it's referring to Yeah Um uh and but your name lives on through Your children and your line and so on But then we're back to this hope we Described earlier of that God's love and Commitment to the creation and his People must be stronger than death Itself Uh if God is truly God and so there Developed the hope of of Resurrection so What what the hope of Resurrection Doesn't address is well what happens to Me between after I die and when I'm Resurrected and when I'm resurrected yes And there are four texts in the New Testament That are extremely brief That address this that moment though That time in between yeah you're dead Yes and that could have been 3000 years Ago yeah or yesterday And now this section yeah it's hard to Even imagine what that is but your body

Being re yeah yep so three passages and They all use the same phrase which is Very interesting so the first one is the Thief crucified alongside Jesus who has A death bed so to speak converted Conversion it's like dying uh you know He says Remember Me Jesus and Jesus says Uh today you'll be be with me in Paradise Uh the Greek word Paradiso was uh the Way that the Hebrew word Eden was Translated in the Old Testament so today You'll be with me in Eden that's what he Says So once again it's a vision that there's God's Temple presence now you know by Saying today He meant before the sun goes down uh I Think we're gonna we're gonna die in a Matter of moments yeah hours here right But you know when this is over this Execution will will be together in Paradise in the in the temple presence Of God Um was he just being kind of nice no I Think if she if Jesus meant any of what He said he meant what he said in that Moment which is that God's love for his World and therefore my commitment to you It extends after it stands after the Moment that our bodies give out Uh so it's not a lot Jesus believed that Jesus apparently believed there was a Form of existence that would that he

Would still have after his body gave out That wasn't his resurrected body right I Mean yeah you would think or Jesus knew The time space continuum shifted after Death And it would be the resurrection yeah The future Um so there's that Um there's uh Paul makes a comment in His letter to the Philippians where he's In prison Uh he thinks he has a good chance of Being executed soon and he says you know It wouldn't be so bad yeah uh in fact I Would almost rather uh get executed Because he said I will die and be with Christ Which he says is preferable to going on In prison Uh so he's and he's torn between the two Uh and then in second Corinthians Chapter five he talks about Um how suffering makes you hope for the New creation and how death really it Isn't the tragedy the Greek world makes It out to be uh because it's a bonus Because he says if I'm away from my body I'm at home with the Lord so all three Phrases use with what what is the status Of Believers after they die physically But before the resurrection with Jesus That's the answer of the New Testament It doesn't say heaven wait so that was Three you said there's four there's four

The last one is the apocalyptic Vision Scene in The Book of Revelation and John Sees uh God's Temple presence and then He sees Um underneath the altar so it's as if He's seeing the temple up in heaven the Heavenly Temple of God's presence and he Sees underneath the altar the the being The the souls But uh the the disembodied persons who Had been martyred because of the word of God that they maintained so he sees the Martyrs hmm In God's Heavenly Temple crying out how Long O Lord before you judge the Earth And avenge our blood So it's an apocalyptic Vision about the Martyrs crying out for justice yeah but The point that's consistent is that they Are with God they're with God so what Happens after you die you're with Jesus You're With Jesus Um Paul doesn't Envision this as a Permanent State and he actually doesn't Even see it as a desirable state Um he sees it as desirable because You're with Jesus yeah he doesn't view It as desirable long term because the Whole point is New Creation so for Paul In his same letters and later in Philippians he says we're awaiting from Heaven A savior when he says when Paul says Later on Philippians your citizenship is

In heaven he doesn't mean and therefore That's when you're where you're going What he goes on to say is your Citizenship is in heaven and we are Expecting a savior from there to come Here and transform everything yeah so I Think Um for me and really this is like as a Pastor I this is a very common question Yeah funerals and people lost their Grandma yeah Um I to me I've so how do you do a Funeral Um You just you uh talk about well if it's Someone who followed Jesus you just They're with Jesus they're with Jesus And that's Um uh a way better form of existence for The moment but Um they are awaiting their full Redemption and Recreation just like I am And just like the world is yeah and so It's hope but it's not the end of the Story so that's the the new testament's Answer to that and so the way we did That in the video is that's not the Focus of the Bible story yeah because Clearly there's just four yeah we just Talked for yeah two hours about heaven And then there's four brief texts five Minutes of like yeah that address what Happens to Christians after they die Yeah

Um and they're important to be with Jesus is rad it's really a profound hope But that can mean so many different Things yeah to be with Jesus yeah do you Have any specific hopes for the Resurrection and um and the resurrect And the new creation anything what do You mean specific hope uh so I I hope There's still some really good Snowboarding Right like I hope this is yeah deep deep Pow [Applause] [Laughter] Um Um oh yes and then yes and then my other Very specific one we talked about this Morning actually I want a big bushy Beard none of this Scrappy yes whatever I got going on yeah I want like a full Sculpted manly yeah Resurrection beard Yeah well while we're on the topic all Right my nerdy answer is Um there are so many things I would love To learn about in depth the depth that I've gotten to study the Hebrew Bible And the New Testament in I would love to Learn astronomy and biology yeah Chemistry I'd love to have a brain That's capable of Passing algebra yeah yeah you know I Know I couldn't get past algebra 34. Yeah so uh yeah there's that version of I just feel like there's so much and I

You know right now I've gotta I go I Work and change diapers and you know Manage my young kids and I love it but I'm so aware of the universe this Complexity that I would love to learn More about I want to learn how to play The violin yes okay so that's one is That another is to master Um an instrument yeah either yeah the Guitar or Um the trumpet or uh another one would Be surfing because I'm so deathly afraid Of sharks oh you are I can't surf I've Done it a few times no it's irrational It's totally irrational but I can't do It I can't do it sir we can get there man I Grew up skateboarding how could how Different it is very different I mean I Know it's different but the idea of Forward motion and leveraging your Body's weight I've got that let's do my Muscle memory now yeah Surfing but the Sharks but there's no Ocean we already established that So Check that one off the list well that's Why that's why I'm doubling down on Snowboarding Because let me know just the mountains [Music] All right there we go Heaven I hope you Enjoyed that conversation as much as I Enjoyed it we have a lot more of these

Coming up next set of conversations is Going to be on the image of God we have A video coming out in I think it's going To come out in March on the image of God As a theme it's a theme video that Traces this phrase that that pops up in Genesis and um we're gonna Trace that Idea all the way through scripture what Does it mean that we are the image of God it's gonna be it's a great Conversation it's a great video I'm Really looking forward to it also a Really great way to support this podcast If you like it is to go on iTunes and Write a review uh if you don't like it Don't go on iTunes and write a review if You don't like it you probably didn't Listen to the end so so if you're here Listening to me now go on iTunes and Write a review uh you can say whatever You want you don't have to pretend to Like it Um also say hi to us we're on Facebook Facebook.com Join the Bible project we're on Twitter At join Bible proj thanks a lot Peace to be with you [Music] [Applause] [Music] Foreign [Music]